Monday, November 03, 2008

Idealism vs. Realism

President Woodrow Wilson has been called an idealist with an idealistic policy towards the rest of the world others have called him a realist.

Define Realist and Idealist.

Which term do you think best describes WW? Give examples with your explanation.


Lisa Vang Hour 9 said...

Idealism is a mind set or a philosophy of how the world or certain things should be run in a good, almost perfect way.

Realism is thinking in a way that things have to be practical or observable.

When ideas can't be achieved, it can be called idealism but when someone who has power like Wilson, his ideas become realistic, therefore Wilson is an realist. Several of his highly idealistic ideas in, "The Fourteen Points" actually happened in a long run and some even after his presidency. For example, Point Four stated that there should be a modification to colonialism, in other words, he is asking for decolonization from the world. This would have seem totally idealistic at the time but eventually, after Wilson's presidency, his proposal of decolonization initiated (France, Britain). Secondly, in his twelfth point, he proposed sovereignty for the Turkish people of the Ottoman empire and by the 20th century, the empire was divided into their own nation states including Turkey. Woodrow Wilson's fourteenth points proposed a general association of all nation states in the world, known at the time to be "The League of Nations." This idealistic idea failed but after WWII, the U.S shouldered in assembling the United Nations. Wilson is a realist because his ideas were "do-able" and practical even thought they seemed to be too idealistic at the time.

Harrison Steinberg-Hr9 said...

Idealism is the pursuit or belief of high and/or noble principles. Something sort of imaginary, if I may...

Realism is basically common sense or logical thinking, understanding the possibilites and fact on something actually happening or something not happening...

Wilson was an idealist, without a doubt, 100%! Shown in his 14 Points- Point #9
"Italian borders redrawn on lines of nationality", Let's all be would you feel if someone from a foreign country would want to come into America and redrawn our border lines...totally out of the question, right? Idealist, that obviously not something that would happen everyday, let alone "every now and then"

Point #3- "Free Trade"
Nobody in their right mind would want to risk losing money because of tax-free trades, espcially imports and exports. The thought of that is completely out of this world. Not many people would want to do this because the reason people trade is to make money...with tax-free trade...not as much money is coming in...
Harrison Steinberg-Hr.9

Nigel Golden hr 3-4 said...

Nigel Glden hr. 3-4

Idealism is the philosophy that reality is ideal, based upon ideas, valuse and traditions that th world in never without consciousness, perception, mind, intellect and reason.

Realism is a common sense thory of perception, its a more classical view.........

President Woodrow Wilson is the perfect idealist. President Woodrow Wilson,was a supporter of the League of Nations and his Fourteen Points on freedom. While Wilson was a mixture of the teo, his predominant side was Idealism. In the late perods of World War 1 Wilson took control of the negotiations with Germany. There he presented his Fourteen Points so there wouldn't be another terrible conflict. He left the United States while in office to Paris In 1919 to create the League of Nations and aid in the Treaty of Versailles. He even won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919 furthering my opinion of him being an idealist.

Nigel Golden Hr. 3-4 said...

Information thay i failed to leve out was specific detail in the Fourteen Points.The speech was idealistic, revealing Wilson's policy of democracy, self-determination, open agreements, and free trade. The Fourteen Point were as concluded........Abolition of secret treaties
Freedom of the seas
Free Trade
Adjustment of colonial claims (decolonization and national self-determination)
Russia to be assured independent development and international withdrawal from occupied Russian territory
Restoration of Belgium to antebellum national status
Alsace-Lorraine returned to France from Germany
Italian borders redrawn on lines of nationality
Autonomous development of Austria-Hungary as a nation, as the Austro-Hungarian Empire dissolved
Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, and other Balkan states to be granted integrity, have their territories de-occupied, and Serbia to be given access to the Adriatic Sea
Sovereignty for the Turkish people of the Ottoman Empire as the Empire dissolved, autonomous development for other nationalities within the former Empire
Establishment of an independent Poland with access to the sea
General association of the nations – a multilateral international association of nations to enforce the peace (League of Nations)
I think The League Of Nations was a brilliant idea. Enforceing peace is a general concern in most countries and is well needed. I understand Freedom Of the Seas and abolition of secret treaties...... but dont understand free trade. Now thats pure idealism

Kena Garvin hr. 9 said...

Idealist is a person who is unrealistic and impractical; a visionary.

Realist is a person who accepts the world as it literally is and deals with it accordingly.

Wilson in fact was a idealist. The ideals of his that was stated in the Fourteen Points was totally unrealistic and out of the imaginary,I MEAN COME ON, "free trade" anyone risky enough to do that has to be a idealist. Idealists like taking chances, and in Wilson's case he liked taking huge chances. Why would any one in their right mind agree to having free tax trades and lose money. Only a Idealist would do something so off the wall like that. He's not a person that just goes with the flow and accepts the world as it is literally, but instead he's the type of person that would go against the norm. and invest on unrealistic ideals. But who could blame him, a man of his power could afford to live life on the visionary side.

Amber Rideout hr 9 said...

An idealist is a person who represents things as they might or should be rather than as they are.An idealist is influenced by ideals that often conflict with practical reasoning.

A realist is person who tends to view or represent things as they appear and accepts the world as it literally is, they tend to be more pratical

I believe that Woodrow Wilson is an idealist. Wilson kept America nuetral for three years and promised to keep American out of war in the 2nd term of his presidency. This belief was very much of an idealist becase Wilson contradicted his words bringing the country to war, he also attemped to make a peace treaty that would end war forever, something we all konw is not realistic. Wilson's plan for a League of Nations was permanently weakened by America’s refusal to join it and his Fourteen Points gave good ideas that would not fully be put into play.

Alexander Hr. 9 said...

What does it mean to be an idealist or realist? Idealism is the mindset that exceed far beyond the practicality of a normal situation, goal, or desire. To be an idealist means to also be one who greatly adheres to philosophical ideals and beliefs. Realists are the exact opposite of idealists in a sense that you take a less abstract approach to issues aroused in your world or community.

Woodrow Wilson, without a doubt presented himself as the common idealist. Even though there were ideas addressed in his "Fourteen Points," that later found themselves realized in contemporary United States congress, Woodrow Wilson also presented very erratic ideas conscerning international worldly affairs. A good example of his idealism presented itself in Woodrow's ninth point, where he clearly states that Italy's frontiers should be readjusted upon lines of nationality. No country would ever subjugate itself to altering it's terrain or to changing it's border lines. My final comments to support my thesis go back to point three, the idea of free trade and the United States refusal to ratify the Treaty of Versailles.

Free trade would ultimately decrease money income off of foreign imports and exports, and no one would take the risk of possibly losing profit in international trading affairs. The U.S. also failed to sign the Treaty of Versailles because Woodrow would not acknowledge the realistic terms presented without a few modifications and inclusion of some of his more readical idealistic views. These are the reasons I find Woodrow Wilson to be one of the greater idealist in American history.

Michele Askew Hour 9 said...

An idealist is basically a dreamer. He believes that they can acheive the impossible with no struggle and gives off radical ideas. A realist is also a dreamer but realizes that there will be many struggles in the way. The realist accepts what it is ad tries to make the best of the situation.

Wilson was, i believe, a idealist. He proved to be so in his 14 Points. These points were so far fetched and radical that there could be no other thing to call him. Point 3 states: FREE TRADE. How is any company going to profit this way. This was a radical idea that was supposed to "make everyone happy" but in the end it really only hurts everybody. Point 5 states: decolonization and national self-determination. So he thinks that just because he says so countries are supposed to achieve and maintain their independence. What makes him think that no one, that is smart enough, is going to challenge this. Wilson is an idealist!!

Susie Higgins Hour 9 said...

An Idealist is a person who represents things as they should be-- rather than what they are, with an emphasis on values. They maintain the theory that the real is thought and tend to represent things in a theoretical form. They may be seen as a visionary or impractical.

A Realist is a person who represents a concern for the actual and real. They are distinguished from abstract thoughts and have more concrete ideals. They avoid the theoretical and lean towards the practical.

I believe that Woodrow Wilson was an Idealist. Growing up in Virginia during the Civil War gave him a different point of view and he sympathized with the Confederacy’s attempt to win its independence, which partly inspired one of his fourteen points: self-determination for people of other countries. Wilson was a pious, Presbyterian. He was the son of a minister and used the presidential pulpit to preach with eloquence his inspirational political sermons. He also became a “phraseocrat”, using epigrammatic expressions in his speeches. The values and religious ideas he preached are Idealistic theories which, technically, cannot be proven. One of Wilson’s beliefs in government was that the Congress could not function properly unless the president provided leadership. He, unlike many politicians lacked the common touch; he loved society in the mass but not the individual in person. Wilson had a deep sense of moral righteousness and he found compromising to be difficult. He would break before he would bend and was not considered to be pragmatic. With high values, Wilson tried to justify everything as being moral, as he did in his fourteen points. His speech justified and assured the country that World War I was being fought for a moral cause. His Idealistic points, such as freedom of navigation and free-trade seemed to be profound and ahead of its time. Also, his point of self-determination for people of other countries was the basis of German surrender and was documented in the Treaty of Versailles.

Ebony McCovery said...

Ebony McCovery Hour:9

An idealist can be defined as a visionary or impractical person, or a person who represents things as they might or should be rather than as they are.
A realist is a person who tends to view or represent things as they really are.
In my opinion, Woodrow Wilson was an idealist. His ideals and goals were way far-fetched for his time even though some of them eventually came true. Wilson proposed things like free trade meaning there would be no taxes on the imported and exported goods being traded. If that’s not an idealist idea, I don’t know what is! The purpose of trade is to make money, and putting no tax on traded goods takes away from a place’s income. Evidence that Wilson was an idealist can also be seen in that fact that he promised to keep the country out of war, something he obviously couldn’t do seeing as though he brought the country to war. Wilson also tried making a peace treaty hoping to end war forever. How crazy does that sound? We all know that it is possible end certain wars at certain times, but to end war forever everywhere? That’ll be the day! The last and final point conveying the fact that Wilson was an idealist was the fact that he wanted to put borders on Italy according to race. This is ridiculous in my opinion because confining people to certain areas according to their nationality is unjust. This would be something like Wisconsin saying all black people should live on 2nd and Burleigh while all white people live in subdivisions on Pilgrim Road. That’s gotta be bull!

bao xiong, 9 said...

An Idealist is someone who has a fixed mentality on goals, or ideas, which are unattainable and improbable in the aspects of some. They tend to sprout ideas based on philosophical and ethical concepts.

Contrast to that of Idealism, a Realist doesn't dwell on what something can, or should, be, but what it is. They grasp reality for what it is and, therefore, takes it as it is.

To say that Woodrow Wilson was an Idealist gives a negative approach, primarily when taken into consideration the immense amount of people who find Idealists to be quixotic fantasizers. Wilson obviously had much faith in humanity when much of the world grew violent and pro-war to deliver his Fourteen Points speech which had a focal point on equality and autonomy for much of Europe. While many may dislike the idea of his third point addressing free trade, I'm with Wilson on this one. Free trade authorizes the removal on tariffs placed on imported goods and import quota. All countries should have the same rights as others to import good of the best quality. The poverty-stricken countries and it's people shouldn't be living agony because they don't have the kind of economy that other countries possess. His ninth point stating that Italy's borders should be lined up on nationality swung his speech in a negative direction. Something is seriously wrong with him if he thinks segregation is the answer. The intentions of his Fourteen Points speech was established upon morals and promotion of world peace, but why does the Fourteen Points have no address to his own country, the United States? Contradictory to his peace efforts that granted him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919, Wilson refused admission of Blacks into Princeton University and told to protestors that "segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen." Since when is segregation a benifit? All in all, he was too involved in the matters of nations of the world and too busy promoting world peace that he didn't have any personal interest of the people back at home to promote within the United States.

Jhoselinn Perez Hr. 9 said...

Idealism is a conceptual way of thinking, it is a futuristic state of thought, it is a philosophical way of how our world should be, instead of how it really is, and if I may say, it is frequently enlightened individuals who are classified as Idealists.

Realism is thinking in a way that represents life accurately, it's a practical and present state of mind.

Wilson was a little bit of an idealist, as well as he was definetly a realist. I would have to argue, however, that Woodrow Wilson was above all my definition of a realist because he had a very reasonable mindset and was not a foolish individual for supporting the 14 Points because if advocating for change in a help-hungry nation is just idealist, then what does that make the rest of us who advocate for change?

No. Woodrow Wilson was indeed a realist because he saw our need and proposed a plan to fix it.
The only logical reason anyone would classify Wilson as an idealist is because they clearly do not understand the concept of realism to its full extent and they haven't done their research on Woodrow Wilson deeply enough to understand that he was offering a true solution, not just an idea that would never work. The only reason why the Fourteen Points would not work is because we, the people do not collaborate to make it work.

Anonymous said...

Harold Young hr 9-9
A realist is One of the seven attitudes. Its positive pole is perception; its negative pole is supposition. Realists view the world in terms of what is.

Idealist One of the seven attitudes. Its positive pole is coalescence; its negative pole is abstraction. Idealists view the world in terms of how it could.

Wilson is anything but a realist, with his impractical and unrealistic goals, while others will say that he is a different kind of realist who had a reasonable ambition to make the United States the world’s most dominant economic power.Wilson wanted to go beyond the mere restoration of peace. Since he viewed the war as...“the culminating and final war for human liberty.” This is why, he called for Impartial adjustment of all colonial claims,” with the “interests of the population concerned” given equal weight with those of the colonial powers.Opportunity of autonomous development” for the peoples and nationalities of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.Formation of “a general association of nations” to guarantee “political independence and territorial integrity to great and small states alike.” Thats why I would call him a realist.

Rickey Edwards hr.9 said...

Rickey Edwards hr.9

Idealism is a way of thinking where a person feels that things can happen in a "perfect" way.its like when someone is a visionary.they think something impossible can happen but it turns out to really be impossible.
Realism is a way of thinking where a person acts in a "safe" way.Pretty much just using the status quo or thinking logically.
Wilson was an idealist.this was shown early before he even ran for president when he wanted to change the tarrif and the banking system.all very hard things to do.In his campaign slogan "he kept us out of war" he sounded really dumb.after all of the hype of the war, really what person wouldnt wanna get in that scuffle.and then he used the bombing of the british ships as an excuse to get involved, i mean its jus crazy.Also like Michelle said i wanted to bring up how in the hell does he just think that countries are gonna keep on their own independence?Its not a given,every country has had to fight once.Wilson's ideas were really absurd in my opinion therefore making him an idealist

mike perry said...

idealism is the way you think things sould be done. Realism is the way thing have to be done in reality. Woodrow Wilson was a realist. he knew not to get between the war, and was later reconized for keeping the country out of war.

Anonymous said...

Ignacio Contreras Hr.9
A Realist is someone who believes in literal truth.

An Idealist is someone who is a visionary, and sees how a thing could be and not how it is.

Woodrow Wilson to many is a idealist, due to his views and his ideas on the 14 points speech. To others he was a realist ahead of his time. Some of the points he stated in the 14 points speech actually came to be, but later on after Wilson's time. Some things that came true was the "freedom of the seas", today the oceans are open to anyone. Although he can be a called a realist in some degree, he still is an idealist, considering that some of his ideals were inrealistic. For example, he claimed to go into war to "make the world safe for democracy." This is very idealistic since it is impossible to make every single country follow a democracy by just telling them to do so. Only way to do so is to wage war upon them and overthrow their government, which of course would be impossible becuase that would bankrupt the United States with the cost of the wars. Wilson, was an idealist who had good ideas to help the world.

kristane thrower hour 9 said...

An idealist is a visonary or impractical perosn. It is also a person who represents things as they might or should be rather than as they are.

A realist is somebody who considers things as they are or appear to be, and avoids ideals.

Wilson was an idealist because he had ideas of changing the world with American influence. For example, when Wilson used his ideas of the U.S. (econimical and political),so they could be provided internationally. At this time everyone was not in agreement with him, so those ideas were out of the question, but he belived in them strongly. Also, to say that influence of America can steer the world away from warfare, were ideas he invented and went by. This is why i believe he was an idealist.

Jacqulene White Hour: 3 said...

Idealism is a theory that the essential nature of reality lies in consciousness or reasoning. Realism is the thought of only practical outcomes.

Woodrow Wilson is clearly an idealist. Wilson shows idealist traits in the 14 POINTS. The reason i say this is because Wilson though of ideas that weren't realistic in the 14 POINTS. Some examples of those ides are free trade,national independence,and freedom of the seas. The following were truly unrealistic ideas to dwell on.


Idealism is stating that only real things are mental entities, not physical things.

Realism is an inclination toward literal truth, by which rejects imaginative idealization.

Woodrow Wilson's expressions on the greatness of willpower, and how willpower could infact be the main factor of establishing a better world, were looked at as old liberal faiths that rejected realism. His idealist and naive behavior, was sought to be impractical and down right dumb. I agree, that his statments were dreamy and lacked the clarity of understanding complete national order. There was a belief that only the military soilders could effectively protect the nation's security. I agree with this statement because the military soilders of our nation are trained ---beyond the limited battle- opinions of the average human mind---to protect our nation. Wilson had great ideas...and that's what they were...just ideas. His plan's weren't able to be put into action, by which they became unworkable. If Wilson's actions weren't based on idealism...then I don't have a clue to what is!

Kong Xiong Hour 9 =}} said...

Kong Xiong Hour 9 :D

Idealism is when something is done base on what someone believe in or in things that seem to be moral.

Realism when you do things base on facts.

In my opinion, I believe that Woodrow Wilson was idealistic. This can be shown in his term of presidency where he led the U.S. into war. He did this because he believed that this war would be a war that’ll end all war and that it would create peace, which seems to be extremely bizarre. During the war, Wilson being the most idealistic, believe that it would be moral and beneficial for the Allies to try to demoralize the enemy’s government by proposing his Fourteen points; one in which was freedom of seas which would anger the British because they were in control of the sea. Included in the Fourteen was the League of Nations in which Wilson also believe that it was the peace that would be created after the war. He wasn’t being realistic at all when proposing the League of Nations because he knew that many Americans wouldn’t agree because they will see this as going against their great president’s, George Washington, farewell address in which Washington addressed “no permanent alliance.” This is why I believe that Wilson would better be categorize as idealistic rather than realistic.

Brittany Rivers hour 3-4 said...

Realists believe that there is an ultimate truth or ultimate reality that does exist. They are abstract, natural, and accept the facts of life.

Idealists believe that existence is not truly physical at all, but mental. The thoughts inside their minds provide the basis for life and they believe that their ideas are powerful and should be brought to the table.

I believe that Woodrow Wilson was a little bit of both. His ideas about Trade were practical as well as logical, but were also valuable mentally. For example in his campaign, he assailed the "predatory" trusts and promised to returnthe state government to the people. This was mentally valued by him and the people, and was a logical way create order in the U.S. government. Another example is his fourteen potent points which he preyed would guarantee the political independence and territorial integrity of all countries, no matter what their size. As a realist-idealist, Wilson found found compromise difficult. He was stubborn. he says, "I would rather fail in a cause that I know some day will triumph than to win in a cause that i know some day will fail."

Anonymous said...

Adriana Thomas hour 3-4 =]

Perception is the way something is viewed from one person tgo another based on their personal experiences. With this in mind I would like to comment on how some people beileved Woodrow wilson was an idealist, while others believed him to be a realist.

Realism can be defined as the logical or most common way of handling a situation, while idealism is simply representing something by its defintion or what it actually is.

I believe that Woodrow Wilson himself was an idealist only because he many things he did were very impractical and erratic when dealing with international affairs.These idealist views are present in The Fourteen Points in which he establised and stood by.

For a clear example Point #4 basically states that Wilson wanted decolonozation from the world. Why would he want such a thing to occur? It does not seem logical(realist)at all, to disconnect from the world. Also, Point #3 states the Wilson was for Free Trade. What type of ecnomy did America have that we could affrd to trade goods for free? there would be no profit made whatsoever, and no gain of any sort. It makes no clear sense to put this act into action.

Another of these 14 points states that Woodrow Wilson wanted disarment. Under the impression that Wilson wanted to disarm his country, what type of defense mechanism did he have in place? How would his people defend themselves, and others without having the right to bear arms? with this particular piont, I also begin to wonder how the soldiers felt about this. Being someone who fought for their country and the only way they knew to prtect their self was with a gun, how would it feel to have that symbol of saftey taken from you?

When a man of power makes decisions I believe he is obligated to think about and understand the effect it will have on the people. I don't believe Woodrow Wilson ever took part in much thinking or considering at all when making the decisions that he made. That is why I label this man a idealist. His sparatic behavior shown in the 14 points give me proof to back up my beliefs.

Ms. Deanna Hall hr.-9 said...

Idealism is quite simple, it is the philosophical theory that the object of external perception, in itself or as perceived within a mindset. On the other hand, realism is an artistic representation or treatment that aims or is felt to be visually accurate; the truth.

When the ideas come about if Woodrow Wilson is an idealist or realist; in my opinion he will have to be an idealist. I say idealist because he presented a moderate voice and his ideas of the Fourteen Points that was a basis for peace. He also had an idea for a League of Nations to maintain world peace. Wilson’s idea of a League Nations was not successful because of America not wanting to join him. So Wilson didn’t only think and eventually write down things that would benefit the war, but things that would change the world. He kept promises and kept his word with what he said. This is what made him an idealist and will always be remembered for his idealistic ideas.

Bryant Robles (Hr. 3/4) said...

An idealist is a person or observer that views problems as how they might or should be rather than as how they are.

A realist is a person or observer that views the problems or issues as they really are.

I believe that Wilson was an IDEALIST because he came up with the most horrifying ideas or views. At first he decided to be neutral (everything was good in his head back then) with the war but after the incidents he took everything to his head and decided to go to war. "The War To End All Wars" was he really serious does he have a brain he just went off and caused more trouble.

Were you can really see his idealist views is with the league of nations puting the U.S. in a most likely allienced position. An im not the only one who thinks he is crazy when he returned to the U.S. people where infuriated with him how could he make an allience when George Washington clearly adressed to be careful of foreign alliances in his "Farewell Letter."

So i think Wilson is an IDEALIST!!

Lovell Hr. 3-4 said...

Idealism is a mind set on thinking in a philosphy or beliefs.

Relalism is a mind set on thinking in a way that everyone else thinks and is practical.

Woodrow Wilson is a idealist. This is because of the fact that in most cases if it's a idealist idea or thought it won't happened, and realist ideas do. So knowing that his 14 points shows that and it was really far fetched. said...

young rahkeem hr.9

Realism is defined as: the representation in art or literature of objects, actions, or social conditions as they actually are, without idealization or presentation in abstract form. While idealism is defined as: the act or practice of envisioning things in an ideal form; or the pursuit of one's ideals. As one can see the two are opposites of one another. Realism is viewing things as they actually are, while idealism is viewing things as being the way one wants them. People argue that one or the other is better, but I feel a balance of the two is best.

Woodrow Wilson is perceived as an idealist because of his lofty goals and his strive for greatness. His 14 Points Speech is a perfect example of idealism. In the speech Wilson talked about free trade, self-determination, disarmament, freedom of the seas, and possibly the most important part of the speech was the League of Nations. Each of these points, or goals, is long term, and for the most part Wilson did not present a way to achieve his goals. Congress did not pass the proposal to join the League of Nations because Wilson had not included Congress in the negotiations. This is a trait of many idealists. They want to imprint a lasting legacy and think that no one else is able enough to help them get there.

Gregory B. hr. 2 said...

Gregory Brackinridge hour 2 said...

Idealism is the belief in achieving goals that are alomost next to impossible, a belief of high strong standards that seem different from how someone else views are.

Realism is to believe in only the factual and practical type of ideas, to believe in the cold hard truth.

When someone has ideas that can't be reached easily, we call them idealist. The former president, Woodrow Wilson was known as an idealist. One way he expressed hid idealistic attitude, he created the fourteen points. He delivered his fourteen point adress to the Congress. The first five of the fourteen points were: abolish secret treaties, freedom of the seas, removal of economic barries, reduction of arnament burdens, adjustment of colonial claims in the interests of both native peoples and the colonizers. These points helped to delegitimize old empires and open the road to national independence for millionso of "subject people."

Lauryn Beecher (HR 3/4) said...

Idealism and Realism are both examples of outlooks on Life. An Idealist envisions a perfect, utopian world. A Realist sees the world how it really is, they are practical and sensible.

Wilson should be viewed as an Idealist. Although his ambitions became reality, his dreams were far-fetched at the time. Just like some people believed that we would never reach the moon, many others believed his "14 Points" could not be completed. As Wilson ran for presidenthe ran on a progressive platform he called the New Government.This New Government said that the Federal Government would be reduced in size. This is one example where his idealist freams were hust fantisies. His goal of creating a unifed Leauge of Nations also failed. He was unable to persuade his own country into approving the plan. Therefore America remained isolationalst, and nationalism blossomed.

Although he was an Idealist, he was also a Progressive. This meantthat he was willing to work hard for a better future. He passed The Underwood-Simmons Tarriff, The Glass-owen Federal Reserve Act, The Clayton Antitrust Act, The Federal Trade Commission Act, and was able to implement many of his "14 points." Although his dreams came true, he should still be observed as an Idealist because his vision was not yet a reality.

Shayla Jackson hour 2 said...

Shyla Jackson
hour 2
I am still a little unclear about what a realist is and an idealist is.
From what I understand, an idealist is a person who represents things as the should be not as they are right now.

A realist is a person who views things as they are.

Woodrow Wilson is a idealist. He comes up with these ideas that aren't crazy ,but are impossible to accomplish. For example he says lets have free trade in his 14 points. Trade is how most of the countries gain money. So why would they country who holds a great amount of diamonds just give it away, for some apples from the United States.

esther hr 2-2 said...

Idealism is when a person acts on what they believe is right or their idea on the matter; Utopia

Realism is when a person acts on the reality of the situation; practicality

Wilson is an Idealist. He had many great ideas, such as isolation for the US and a peaceable end for most arguments. But this is an imperfect world and people prefer to kill each other rather than talk it over. His ideas portrayed a Utopian society, one that could not be achieved. While some of his ideas did become a reality, the things that he pushed most for did not become realities.

Alexia S. Brunson Hr.3-4 said...

Idealism is the thought that the that the world should function off of principals of good values, optomisum that everything is done in good faith and all actions will fall perfectly in to place how one thinks they should.

Realism is the idea of being practical.Realisim is based on the use of logic, that all things dont work out they way we want them to. ideas are plausable.

I feel that Willson was and idealist (given his 14 points)
The idea that we can have free trade, abolishment of secret treaties,and freedom of the seas is a fantasy inwhich parties or nations will not agree on. In the world evreyone is out to get what they want and do what is best for them.
No one wants to share trade because that loses profit and makes more compitition.
Wilsons idea that free trade would be agreed upon by all nations is an ideal which logicly would not happen.willson is only one man his ideas mean nothing without support.
in my oppinion wilson saw things as symple and sweet as fairy's with pixy dust making every thing Okay....sorry but life dosent work that way.

Anonymous said...

Carsyn McKenzie Hr. 2

An idealist is a person is simply a dreamer. They are often impratical because there thoughts are often seemed to be overwhelming.

An realist is a person who keeps the practical things in the world. They stick to what they know and what has already been proven.

Wilson was and will always be an idealist to me. He was a true dreamer for example his 14 Points. In those days many people only thought to the near future not the upcoming years. Who would ever think of free trade, and if they did what kind of business would it be if there was free trade. He also thought of disarmament, freedom of seas, and a league of Nation. I will never know how a man who had to deal with war would ever think of disarmament. Wilson is an idealist he showed this by just dreaming to see a peaceful world.

Kiah Johnson Hour 2 said...

Idealism is a way of looking at issues and potential opportunities with no limits or bounds. Idealists almost look at things the way a child would. Children and idealists both attack the world with that mindset that anything is possible and anything can be achieved. Seemingly impossible things, like flying, are considered possible by these type of people.

Realism is a way of looking of things in a more thought out and planned way. Realists attack issues with attainable goals that are practical. While idealists see similar to a child, realists think in ways similar to parents and matured adults. They know that some things, like flying, are impractical and would most likely be unsuccessful if tried.

Wilson is an example of an idealist. In his 14 points, Wilson puts forth ideals that are impractical. He basically wanted the whole world to stop fighting, give everybody their land back and live together with no trade fees singing kum bay yah. Countries wanted to dominate, not become equal with each other, so Wilson's 14 points were at that time very idealistic and unattainable.

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purpletwin92 said...

Realism is idea that the things or happenings that are portrayed may actually exist and idealism is wanting some thing to be perfect when it might not actually be possible or if it is possible it would be hard to achieve.

Woodrow Wilson was an was the example of a idealist. He wanted this to be perfect for all the countries(like his League of Nations) but it wasn't actually possible. Utopia is impossible and in a way thats whet Wilson wanted to do with the world.

Lydia Gottinger Hr. 3-4

Anonymous said...

Brett Leaf hour 3 said....

Idealism is the practice of forming ideas or living under their influence.

Realism is the concern for fact or realtiy.

I think that Wilson was an realist because of the fourteen points that he created.

Anonymous said...

Deneiria Fletcher
Hour 3-4

Realists accept conditions as they are and to define the ends and means of policy by the measures of anticipated gains, costs, necessities, and chances of success. Idealists define goals in ideal, often visionary, forms, and presume that the means for their achievement lie less in measured policies, relying on diplomacy or force, than in the attractiveness of the goals themselves.

In my opinion Woodrow Wilson is anything but a realist, with his impractical and unrealistic goals, while he could be a different kind of realist who had a reasonable ambition to make the United States the world’s most dominant economic power.

Regina Simmons Hour 2 said...

Idealism is being free in mind and not having a limit to the mind. all is capable in the eyes of an idealist. There are no impossibilities. they are not necessarily rebels however they do believe in change and achieving change.

realism is the idea of believing of there is a limit and every idea cannot be accomplished.Realists are more reserved.

Woodrow Wilson i believe is an idealist.He sent personal attacks on Huertia.President Wilson argued that he kept them out of war to win the election....then put them in war [-laughs]his 14 points proved to be very idealistic.

Damien said...

Damien Tucker Hr: 3-4

A realist is somebody whose sees things for what they really are and doesn't really look pass that.

An idealist is somebody looks past the things they see. They look at things using more than their five senses.
Woodrow wilson is an idealist because he joined the league of nations not knowing what the future will brings. and he took control of the negotiations with germany.

Anonymous said...

idealism is the philosophy that reality is ideal, based upon ideas, valuse and traditions that th world in never without consciousness, perception, mind, intellect and reason.

realism is the most pratical way of thinking.

i believe that wilson was for sure an idealist. coming up with the fourteen points proved it. he took a huge chance with the fourteen points and thats what idealism is all about. thats whyi think that wilson was a idealist.

-Jainessa Ware Burrell

Donyae Scott Hour:9 said...

Idealism is the tendency to represent things in an ideal form, or as they might or should be rather than as they are, with emphasis on values.

Realism is the tendency to view or represent things as they really are.

Overall president Wilson shows charactertics of both idealism and realism but I believe he is more idealism. By forming the League of Nations I beleieve it was more of a realism idea to try to join and bond with other nations. Also with the fourteen points which was a idealist to try to run a nation with points they might not work at the end. He's using idealist ideas that are risky the United States such as free trade which could cause major danger and problems among those who trade....

~Donyae Scott hour: 9

Anonymous said...

Linda Thao
Hr. 2-2

Idealists are people who vision the world through their own impractical thinking-their way of making the world a better place.

Realists are people who think productively on practical way to improve the world.

There are still many debates whether Wilson is an idealist or realist. Wilson is definitely a idealist. In his Fourteen Point speech, his ideology of "reduction of arm" obviously did not effect other countries to actually reduce their weapons. In fact, after WWI ended, people tried ways to advanced arm utilities. During WWII, atomic bombs, machine guns, and other invented weapons were being used and manufactured for war purposes.

Wilson "League of Nations" definitely demonstrate that he is an idealist. His ideas of the "League of Nations" is to prevent wars and keep world peace. Unfortunately, it only caused hate from Germany and Italy. The "League of Nations" wanted to stop Italy from taking over Ethiopia and Germany taking over Poland. The League of Nation had the thought of stopping them but did not attempt to do so.

Tiffany Bean Hr.2 said...

An Idealist is a person who is unrealistic and impractical; a visionary so to say. They tend to sprout ideas based on philosophical and ethical concepts. They belief in achieving goals that are alomost next to impossible,they are basically a dreamer. They look at things with "wide open eyes" so to say like a child. A child thinks its possible to have spidey senses and fly lol; a child looks at the world with the mindset that anything is possible and anything can be achieved just as an idealist.

Realist is a person who accepts the world as it literally is and deals with it accordingly.

Wilson was an idealist and it shows in the 14 points he developed which at the time and still are in many ways unattainable.At the time world powers really didn't care about peace in no land but their own, they wanted to expand and gain more power not become equal with one another and have tea parties and share cookies---for example of trade lol--- free of charge like Wilson wanted.

Johnquell Tucker said...

Idealism is the cherishing or pursuitof high or noble principles. Realism is the tendency to view or representing things as they really are. Wilson was preceived as an idealistduring his time because of the things that he stated in his 14 points. Even though some of his goals within his 14 poins were achieved, i believe he is still an idealist. An example of his idealistic ways is free trade. Who is willing to risk loosing money? Will you be willing to take that risk?

Destiny Manuel said...

Destiny Manuel hr.@

realism is a way of thinking that Most things have to be practical.

Idealism the philosophy which maintains that the ultimate nature of reality is ideal, or based upon ideas, and values.

President Wilson was definitely an idealist. I say that because Wilson only focused on his ideas. This was expressed in "the fourteen points”. In the fourteen points it was all ideas that were very idealistic and Wilson knew that. Wilson felt that what he says shall go and just wanted to change things with his ideas because he had the power. Wilson also left he united states and began the league of nation aids followed by the idealistic Treaty of Versailles. Al of the things I listed proved exactly why President Woodrow Wilson was an idealist.

Destiny Manuel said...

Destiny Manuel hr.@

realism is a way of thinking that Most things have to be practical.

Idealism the philosophy which maintains that the ultimate nature of reality is ideal, or based upon ideas, and values.

President Wilson was definitely an idealist. I say that because Wilson only focused on his ideas. This was expressed in "the fourteen points”. In the fourteen points it was all ideas that were very idealistic and Wilson knew that. Wilson felt that what he says shall go and just wanted to change things with his ideas because he had the power. Wilson also left he united states and began the league of nation aids followed by the idealistic Treaty of Versailles. Al of the things I listed proved exactly why President Woodrow Wilson was an idealist.

Diamond Brown Hr 3/4 said...

Diamond Brown Hr 3/4

♦An idealist is a person who cherishes or pursues high or noble principles, purposes, goals.

♦Or a person who represents things as they might or should be rather than as they are.

♦ A Realist or Realism is the tendency to view or represent things as they really are.

When discussing the differences of realism and idealism it can be stated that Woodrow Wilson would fall under the category as being an idealism. He is a "PERSUADER" he speaks good and fills the heads of his fellow supporters to believe he was capable of doing what he says he was going to do.

For an example,points 6 to 13 were discussed with specific territorial problems, including claims made by Russia, France and Italy. Not only that but it showed the concerns of the claims for independence by the people living in areas controlled by the Central Powers.
So when its time for everything to come to an end and score a touchdown and the peace negotiations began in October, 1918. Wilson quickly insisted that his Fourteen Points should serve as a basis for the signing of the Armistice. I mean the man talked plenty of gratifying activities for example, in point 1 he renounced the re-establishments of the secret treaties. I mean some of which these things actually happened and were very successful, AFTER HIS PRESIDENCY.
He was a very smart guy but come on what shocked me and surprised was his opinion of, "FREE TRADE" ok Mr.Wilson and where would you be reimbursed at? Don't nobody love their country that much to even allow free trade to come out of their mouths.
To me, the man was just speaking out the side of his neck to make hiself look god in front of the ladies! All in all, he is a smart man but he still shows signs and symptons of that disesase whats it called......Uuummm!!! thats right AN IDEALIST?

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