Monday, November 14, 2005

Lewis and Clark

Read the excerpt from the journal of Meriweather Lewis and answer the questions in "comments."

Examine the three maps at this site. What can you infer about European and American understanding of the Americas at this time, the 17 and 18 century?

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Okay for one where are their morallity. I understand that this was their way of life but you know now that you think of it much hasn't changed comparing Lewis and clark to the way things are in America. Most men sitll don't have much respect or doesn't know how to make a women their equal. This was kind of interesting. Holla back!!

Anonymous said...

I agree with Natoya, and men need to not treat women as something that is seen lesser to them.(Just a little side opinion) BUT this article seems hypocritical because Lewis and Clark were in such a shock from the way the natives treated their women, but think about it they didn't treat women much better back at home, so who are they to talk or judge? This article makes me wonder how much of it is true.I thought that this was interesting and made me think of Lewis and Clark's credibility on this subject.They probably had no reason to lie but it still makes me wonder.

Anonymous said...

(Psssst....Mr. Fons)
Some of my fellow students and I think that it would be "better"(I know "better" is such a vague word, but oh well) if we did blogs every night for a homework assignment instead of generalizations. Just an idea.(you should REALLY REALLY consider it.)

Anonymous said...

I think this article was interesting. I think is showed the lack knowledge we use now and in the past. I believe some men treat women poorly, on the contrary i believe that women treat men poorly too. The reason they were in shock was typical because in those times, men weren't accoustomed to they way the Native American life was, so in fact they were shock about they way women were treated. You have to remember, in American society women have never be equal to men; that's how they been taught, in the church, thier community, all around them. We will all judge the credibility of Lewis and Clark because we weren't there at the time, so it makes it wonder about the credibility; after all, it was past down from generation to generation.

Anonymous said...

Lewis and Clark were shocked how the Native men treated their women. The women had to do all the work while the men did nothing. That was how it was back then and some men still treat women that way even now. Lewis was interested in how venerial worked. He belived that it came from the combination of the Natives and the Europeans diseases.

Anonymous said...

I feel that Lewis and Clark were hypocrites when it came to other people with different ways of life. They tried to look down on the natives and say that the men are lazy and they don't respect their women but Americans do the same thing if not worse. It was pretty funny to see that Lewis and Clark had a sort of "Holier than Thou" attitude about the whole situation.I wonder why he was so curious about STD's. Maybe he had one and did not have any luck with a remedy and wanted to see if they had any ideas.

Anonymous said...

Lewis and Clark were surpised by the way the native men treated their women. Thw women had to take care of the kids and do most of the work while the men would attend their horses,hunt, and fish. I think the way women were treated is typical and not suprising at all because face it... women will always be "below" men no matter how much us ladies want to change it.

Anonymous said...

First of all I would say that the native americans blended in pretty well with the envirinment. They used horses for transportation and hunted and fished for their food. Their ecology was fairly simple in the west.
Next, Lewis was probably so interested in the venarial because he wanted to know the origins of it and if there was a remedy for it. His evidence for it being a new world malady is the information he aquired from an interpreter and his wife. They said that the natives sometimes had it and if you did, you would just die from its effects. Lesis's conclusion is clear that he thinnks that the venerial originated with the natives from the west. However, right before he reached his conclusion he gave other possibilities for where it could have originated from. Therefor, I don't think he has a strong support for his statement.

Anonymous said...

In Lewis and Clarke document, the Natives Americans display a crucial social statuts to Lewis and Clarke. He described the natives as a "sexest community", becuase the men didn't pretty much nothing. the women of the family did everything except for hunting and grooming horses. This shocks Lewis and Clarke a lot. WHY? Back in Europe and possibly in the colonies, women are treated pretty much the same ways. I think that Lewis and Clarke are just opinionated because they are saying that the natives treats the woment like crap, when their side does it too. But this is worst than blaming the diseases upon the natives. i believe that the natives had no disease as described by Lewis abd Clarke because they seem to be find from this disease after interacting and trepassing on the native Americans lands. This disease, to me, is from the Europeans and spread to the natives during trades, etc.

Anonymous said...

Lewis was interested in venerial and its orgins becuase he wanted to learn the cure and were it came from. He decided its origins were in the new world because the natives knew about it and had a few remedies for, though he could not learn them. I also believe that this passage is hypocritical because in America in those times most of these practices were common in the "states" too.

Anonymous said...

This excerpt was an interesting point of view from the past, though hypocritical. Lewis talked about how the natives treat women as property but this is exactly what the americans did. SO how does Lewis have the right to criticize them?

Anonymous said...

In this "Lewis and Clark" document, I think that I would've been shocked if i was them too. The ways that they treat women is just not right at all. Mostly its the women that does everything and the men still gonna treat the women like that. It didn't really change on how the men still be abusing the women these days in America but its a little better now. Women has more rights thant hey did back then. There's laws that the men can't break so its better than back then. That doesn't mean that the men doesn't do this stuff anymore because there's also some women that are just so scared of their men that they wouldn't even tell anyone how bad they are abused by their men. This document is better than all the other documents though.

Anonymous said...

This article basically talked about how Lewis and Clark judged the Native Americans. They believed that the men were lazy and they treated their women with little respect. I believe that if the native Americans would have seen their life, they would have judged them also. They probably would have said some negative things about them and they would have formed their own opinion about Americans. I believe that Lewis and Clark had a right to voice their opinions.

Anonymous said...

Louis and Clark are two very brave men who took cahnces to explore a part of an "unknown part of North America" for the better of th country. but the motive of th President and Lewis and Clark was to find out about what was west of the Appallations and the Louisiana purchase to sewe could the eastcoastal colonies New England, middle colonies and the southern could be expanded for grateer control and a land state monopoly the would shoe off the crown. and you can see tha tright after the voyage oif lewis and clark that the land west of the appllations was slowly being taken over and being robbed and "bought" from the native peopele adn the onnes the colonist kicked from Virginia.

Anonymous said...

1. The Indians Clark talks about are very much a part of the environment—they're a given, the explorers accept their presence just like they'd accept animals or plants, and no one wants to fight them or expel them. The journal entry outlines some of the cultural differences between Indians and whites, but it doesn't categorize Indians as something completely foreign. It doesn't talk about how Indians live in relation to nature or say anything else that would give us more clues about how they were connected to the land.

2. Lewis is interested in learning about venereal diseases because he wants to keep his men from catching them and because it seems like he's trying to trace the origin and spread of some diseases through Indian communities.

3. Lewis thinks syphilis is a New World disease because it seems to be common in many of the Indian communities he's visited, including the Flatheads. He isn't sure whether smallpox came from Europe—if so, he says it was spread through chains of contact between whites in the East and Indians in the West, but Lewis thinks there really hasn't been enough contact to make smallpox so common with Indians and concludes that it might be an indigenous disease. He just doesn't know how quickly diseases can be spread; that's what makes him doubt that smallpox came only from Europe.

Map question: The Europeans had no idea how big the Americas were; they thought both continents were just small landmasses that could easily be crossed on land or on a water through-way, or gone around. Many explorers thought they had reached the Pacific ocean when they were really only at a big river or lake in the middle of the Americas. Because they thought this area was so small, they probably didn't know anything about the diverse cultures that lived here, and they didn't realize there would be so many people. They were pretty contemptuous of the Native Americans.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Angela that Lewis and Clark are being hypocritical. I think that it is bogus for men to treat their women like this when the women do so much of the work. Lewis and Clark talk about how this is wrong but they do this back where their from? If I was a women back then I think I would have didi something to rebell. Something like stop doing work or doing things to make my husband appreciate me. But overall my opinion of the whole article is that it was good and all but I don't think that all of it was true.

Anonymous said...

For the most part I agree with majority of the class. The treatment was wrong atleast through our perspective and our society. I wasn't surprised about the way the women were treated at all since they are always treated lower than men in society no matter where you go. (well all the places I have known of). The only difference is some have more "rights" than others. American women probably have the most freedom. However, that doesn't mean we are on the same pedistal as men. Or that we aren't treated the same way as the Indian women were. There are in fact women in the US who believe that they are suppose to be the maid. Lewis and Clark being surprised about the Indian ways didn't surprise me either because people are still that way today. You can see a situation and judge on what's wrong or right but can't look yourself in the mirror and judge yourself. This article was interesting and only solidified what I already thought, women are treated inferior in a big way or small one. The questions they had on the STDs was probably for wanting to know a cure for him and/or his men.

Anonymous said...

It is not a surprise how men treated women then to me. Have you ever watched those cartoons of cavemen where the drag the women by their hair down the rocky road? This is how i pictured the indians would be. It is very wrong. Lewis and Clark must have expected something different but the Native Americans were not as advanced as the white men. I bet lewis and clark treated their women that way too. I think he had a STD because he was very curious about knowing what they were.

1. When you talk about the Native Americans you are talking about America. They are apart of the Enviroment. I think Lewis and Clark have a respect for the native people because they don't want to fight them. They were connected to the land because they believe in sprits of the wind and trees.

2. He wants to learn about the dieases because he doesn't want his men to catch them and he probably wants to spread the diease through the native community as cortez did to the aztecs.

3. He thinks its a new world diease because it is in all of the communities of the natives that he has visited. Smallpox could be from europe but he thinks there could not be enough contact between east whites.

Anonymous said...

Lewis and Clark don't have the right to judge another culture because their culture is not perfect as well. Sure, Native American women do more work more than white women at that time but that means that they're powerful because they do some of the work instead of leaving everything to the men. They're important because the jobs they do, the men can't do. Plus, Native American society has more equality towards women. Heritage is traced through the mother's side unlike white society where everything is about men. Equality of the two sexes are still in question today. We think that we're equal but only in some circumstances. Men are still mostly viewed superior to women.

Anonymous said...

This was really interesting to me because Lewis and Clark were really amazed at how the tribes treat their women "sacredly" but at home it's not that different. The women in the tribe still have to cook and clean etc. It's no different from America, but i find it kinda cool that Lewis was trying to track down if any tribes had any vernerial diseases, concerned if there were any diseases in America. Though Lewis and Clark lacked knowledge, they were trying to gain some.

Anonymous said...

This exerpt talked about Lewis's feelings on the native people of the west. He mentions how the natives discipline their children. He finds it odd that the children don't get hit or punished for their bad actions. I think that the natives had the right idea in saying that it breaks a child down to beat them. Lewis also mentions how they treat their women. He acts like he is in shock when back home they women are treated no differently. What a hyprocrite he is. I think that just maybe the natives got these ideas from the European conquerers just like they got the diseases they had. Lewis also talks about the diseases the natives had. Oddly enough he was very interested in vernerial diseases. He claims that these diseases came from the natives, but claims the small pox epidemic for Europe. Now why can't he put two and two together to see that the Europeans are spreading these disease and killing off every native.
The european understanding of the Americas was very little to none. In these maps it is shown that they are missing a whole lot of land.

Anonymous said...

The excerpt from the journal of Meriweather Lewis was a typical society in the Native American tribes. Not just in Native tribes, but usually in every tribes, groups, or society. Over the many years since the first appearance of human beings, male were always the dominant species. Just like this Indian tribe, the male hunted and gathered food while the female cooked and clean. Women never had an important role. Only the men made all the rules.

The map by Sebastian Münster looks funny. I guess you can say that because it wasnt fully draw. The New World is a vast area, that no one has really explored until Lewis and Clarke came in. Maps of the Americas has really improved. The second map drawn by John Farrer seems interesting. Why does it say, "The Sea of China and the Indies" on the upper left corner?

Anonymous said...

1.The Native Americans were not seen as part of the environment by Lewis. The Natives' integration with nature is not even mentioned in the passage. He sees them as less developed Europeans.
2.Lewis is interested in the "venerial" because of the lack of sex practiced by the young men.
3.Lewis feels for some reason that the "venerial" is a New World disease because the people suffer from it, but he could not learn the remedy.His thinking may be influenced by the large number of Natives dying of smallpox.

During the 17th and 18th centuries, Europeans obviously had a limited understanding of the Americas. It seems like they know most of the Eastern coast, but since they had not traveled to the other coast, had to guess or leave it open to interpretation.

Anonymous said...

THis article showed views as to how the Indians of the west were viewed. In the article a typical patriarchal view seemed to come to my mind the most. Women have been less equal to men for a number of years and in this article, it basically restates that this same tradition continued amoung the Indians, but in a different way just because they lived their lives a little differently then the white settlers. I believe that the diseases is said to be caused from the indian population and is considered a new world disease because of lack of science. Back then they really couldn't tell that it was themselves (the whit settlers)who were crawling with bacteria, but what they did know was that the Indians lived their lives different from them and that they were dieing, so it would be most natural for the white men to assume or think that the Indians are catching and spreading the disease throughout themselves because of their way of living life.

Anonymous said...

This article is showing the perfect example and the different views americans have of topics. I believe that a lot of men don't have respect for women! But could this be the way Indians were taught growing up that women are not important in the society? I believe that this article was wriiten on the basis of an american point of view. I think it would have been intersting to hear the comments that africans, chiense or other nationalities may have comment on this.

Anonymous said...

1. The Indians were viewed as a parasite on the environment. The men were selfish and cruel. The women did all the work. They were part of the environment, but Louis was not particularily fond of them being viewed as a sort of anti-human element.
2. Louis is interested in "venerial" because of the abstinence practiced by the people and he's wondering about diseases.
3. Louis thinks the fact that the Indians die but it hasn't killed everybody is proof of some remedy and that means proof of the disease being native. Louis concludes that smallpox is from the old world but gonorrhea and syphilis are from the new world. He takes into account the numbers dying from the new and old worldsand comparing to see who's had an immunity built up.

For the maps, the people making them had a general idea of where everything was, but they were way off. The cartographers didn't have fancy stuff like we do today.

Anonymous said...

Lweis shows how different Native cultures treat women. like the first tribe he discribed shows that women do the most work, they collect fruits and roots, tend the horses, cook clean, arrange their homes, take care of the kids, and a bunch of other things yet men of that tribe show very little respect while all they do is hunt and sit their bums on horses and let women walk. the siouxs treat their women very well and sacred to the men. however Lewis offends me as a female when he remarks about men respecting a woman as evil. women can do just as good of a job at any task like a man can, but put a man to do a woman's task there is more of a chance that he wont do it.

Anonymous said...

The native americans were seen as a distached version of their environment.
Why he was so excited about venerial disesases? I think that he was just curious to understand the connection between western european connections to the disease and american connections to the disease. There was little evidence for the disease, which concludes that the native americans as a people before the colonizers came were healthy and lived a sustainable life.

Anonymous said...

In "Lewis and Clark" the native american society was some what similar to the american. In both the society the men run everythings and the women don't have any right. The women do everything and the men hunt. Lewis is interest in venerial because he wants to find the cures and it origin. I thought that thier view was wrong because of blaming the native that they have disease.

Anonymous said...

I think Lewis and Clark were surprised about how the women were treated. Obviously the men were superior and what they said went. The women did everything the men were told. Lewis believed that venerial came from the combination of the Natives and the Europeans diseases.

Anonymous said...

In this article, it spoke the truth. Men treated women unequal back then and in a way they still do. Women do a lot and men think they do a lot but if they were to change places with a woman they would see that it isn't easy. Lewis was shocked at how the Native Americans treated their wives but this how mostly all women were treated during this time so you really can't be shocked.

Anonymous said...

1. The Native Americans were viewed as part of the environment living with it. The women was treated lowly by the men. Women did the majority work. The men had total power over their woman.

2. Lewis was interested in venerial because he wanted to trace the infection origin and he probably want to stay away from these infections with as much knowledge as possible.

3. Lewis believed that syphilis are native disease because it is common to the indian and many had already died from it. Lewis think that smallpox may have been contract by contact from the Europeans.

Map: Early Europeans had a basic idea of how the western hemisphere looked like but doesn't exactly know everything yet. For example, the western coast of north american was still incomplete. On the eastern coast of north america, the map was fairly accurate. The eastern coast was explore by the europeans already so it is common to them but the western coast of north america was still mainly unexplore. With better tools and equiment, i think that europeans in the 17th and 18th century could produce accurate maps of the western hemisphere.

Anonymous said...

1.The Native Americans were viewed as a large part of the natural enviorment. The document clarified the explorer's view of human element in the ecology of the west because the explorer claims all the men really do is attent horses hunt and fish. It meantions the people as a mere observation, like how the explorer would describe a rock or plant.

2. He's concerned about his men contracting the "vernerial".

3. His evidence for venereal disease as a New World malady was that he had not heard of it before, and it seemed that these people were very disconnected with the Europeans, whites. The natives that he has met he assumes were in contact with other Native tribes who might've been in contact with Europeans.
Map question:
These map makers were still unaware of all the land surrounding them. They believe that their land was the center and everything else was just within reach. Between the three maps, Nicolas Sanson’s map was the closest description to what the land might've looked like, but he was still off.

Anonymous said...

Overall this article stated the treatment of women in the 19th century in America. Women had no power, no authority, and had to do all the work.
I believe lewis was so interested in the venerial because he had no knowledge of the disorder and it orgin but suspected that it was a Indian tribal disorder.

Anonymous said...

1.They seemed to be described as savages and are like the other wild animals of the Western world. I suppose that's mainly because of how they treated the woman (how it's different from the "civilized Easterners is beyond me.)
2. Lewis was interested in the native people's diseases and attempted to determine which were native and which came from Europe.
3.Lewis concludes that many venerial diseases are native because of they are common in native tribes and is uncertain of the root of Smallpox, mainly because of the lack of germ theory and the rapid spread that is capable.

Map:
Seeing as how the carthographers had little information on the whole of the country and few tools seen today, the maps were fairly proficient.

Anonymous said...

The Native Americans were viewed by Lois and Clark to be very much a part of the natural environment. First, the Native Americans used the earth’s natural resources for their survival, and secondly, Native Americans were already living in America when the white settlers found it, so of course, the Native Americans were considered to be a part of the “natural” environment. Lewis is so interested in “venerial” because he wants to know where it originated from and whether or not there’s a cure for it. Lewis probably wanted to find a cure for venerial because he knew that other colonists would come upon these Native Americans, and he wanted to prevent them from catching this disease. Lewis concludes that venerial is a New World disease because Europeans don’t know much about it, and they don’t know a cure for it. On the other hand, Lewis is aware that small pox is an Old War disease that have been transmitted to the Native Americans because the disease seemed to have originated from where Native Americans had come into contact with Europeans.

From these maps of the 17th and 18th century, it is apparent that Europeans had very little notion of how the world is like. They believed that what stood between Europe and Asia were small “islands.” It is understandable that the maps during that time were inaccurate because no one had fully explored the Americas yet, so these maps were drawn based on calculations, and not evidence.

Anonymous said...

It's interesing that this extreme was one of the first "new" cultures that Lewis and Clark came across because all they had seen in the past was the conventional mannerisms of their fellow Americans, this came as a shock to them to see this type of treatment of women and discare for boys' actions, they did have to learn, however, that this was just the way one group lived and respect that

Anonymous said...

I have to say i agree with Jeff, due to the fact that lack to knowledge effects everthing. Women were in fact treaty bad, but you'll have to understand that some women liked their place under men. I have to understand why Lewis and Clark were shocked by the native American's

Anonymous said...

I agree with Alex. They were hypocrites because they were treating their women the same way. As for the diseases, its good that Lewis and Clark seem to care about it. I know I would. He doesn't have to have one in order to want to know about it. Maybe a family member or someone he knew had the disease and he wanted to know how it became and whether or not there was a cure.

Anonymous said...

About the Maps of the 17th and 18th century, I don't think anyone knew how the world was going to be. By looking at the map, you can tell that the world was made of mainly small islands. But look at the world we have many small islands but its now made of continents.

Anonymous said...

The article was pretty interesting to take a look at and it was intriguing to see what the view of Native Americans were in this specific time period.
The opinions within the article were alomst contradictory because of the talk of how bad women were treated within Native American societies. It's kind of stupid to say that women are treated so bad but within the rest of North America women were being treated just as bad as within the Native American societies.
The view of Native Americans at this time didn't do much for the Americans because there was defintely a bias of opinion. Lewis and Clark were so surprised about what was happening with the Native Americans but didn't stop to think that the same thing was going on where they were living as well.
I suppose if anything was learned it should've been the fact that Native Americans were just following an example of the other people within North America. It wasn't inhumane that they were treating women the way they did because, as I said before,it was going on already.

Anonymous said...

Native peoples were viewed as seemingly non existant. They were not regarded as people or animals but were moved aside for white expansion through many different methods.

Lewis was interested in venerial disease because he thought it was a new thing and he saw many suffering from it, he wanted to cure it

He stated that the disease existed but wouldn't conclude where it was from, probably because of a european standpoint

the maps show that not much was known about the western frontier. They show a lack of knowledge that would have to be descovered by europeans.

Anonymous said...

In this article the Native Americans lived in a very sexest society. The Native Americans were use to the Women cleaning, cooking, watching after the children, and just overall catering to the needs of her husband. I turely dont understand why Lewis and Clark were shocked at all, because back in Europe weren't the women treated pretty much the same way. They did all of the housework, they couldn't own land, they couldn't even have an education. I feel that Lewis was very smart trying to educate himself and his people on the Native Americans, and also trying to learn about the various dieases to keep his country from suffering the same things. Overall I agree with a lot of the comments that were made, except for the comment that was made by Amanda. No offense, but I think that you are totally WRONG. I feel that women will NOT always be qoute on qoute below men. Women are coming up in the world making a name for themselves and a lot of other women in American. Ages ago no one would have ever thought that women would become doctors, and lawyers, and journalist. But look how far we have come so far. We have been able to change those sterotypes so I don't see why we can't change the sterotype that women are "below" men.

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Anonymous said...

1. Lewis and Clark treat the Indians as a natural resource and they do not want to exploit them.

2. Lewis was interested in the venerial disease because if he has knowledge he will have a good chance of not getting the disease. He also saw the abstinence practiced among the youg men.

3. Lewis sees the venerial disease as a New World malady because of his point of view. He has never seen it in Europe and it is new to him. He witnesses the effects of smallpox on the Native Americans which gives him the realization that the Europeans infected a lot of natives with this disease.

Maps: The maps that the Europeans made show how oblivious they were to the land that they had aquired. Then again, they are fairly accurate since they didn't have any type of sattellite technology.

Anonymous said...

1. The Indians were very much part of the Enviorment. Lewis and Clark treated the naitive Americans as something that was there and talked about differences between whites and naitives but not something foriegn, just less developed.
2.Lewis is interested in learning about the dieseases becasue he wants to prevent him and his men from catching them, trying to find the cause and spread of the disease.
3.Lewis thinks that Syphilis is a new world disease becasue many natives are catching it and he thinks that small pox are from the old world. witch influenced him to think that there was a cure he could find.

Anonymous said...

map question: the Europeans had a basic understanding in most of the eastern part of the Americas but their understanding was still limited to that. They were off in calculating with just a general idea.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Alexandria when she said that Americans are hypocrites because they thought they were superior to women and didn't treat them with much respect either. I do think that the Natives could have treated their women better and maybe reprimanded their son's bad behavior so that when they are older, they could know what is right and what is wrong but it doesn't matter what I think because this was their way of life. This is what they believed in and I wouldn't want anyone telling me that what I was doing was wrong wasn'right...especially if I believed in it.

Anonymous said...

Don't listen to the thing about doing blogs every night instead of generalizations

Anonymous said...

The native Anmericans are viewed as a man based society. It is said that they treated their women wrong. the men did things like hunt and a couple other things, but the women did most of the work. and this came as a shock to Lewis and clark. He was interested in venerial because he wanted to know were it came from. I think he came to the conclusion that it was a new world disease because they had a remedy. His statement on the other diseases being European was not fully backed up.

Anonymous said...

Lewis and Clark were surprised at their findings. Not so much in the way women were treated because all over the world men held little respect for their wives. I don't think that was a new concept for them.I think what really shocked them was how lazy, and yes I mean lazy, the men were. Women did almost everything.All the men did was hunt for food. The women pretty much took care of everything else. The men were so disrespectful to their wives that they wouldn't even walk to let the women have the hoarse for transportation to take care of her duties. They were aslo shocked by the dicipline in the children which was little. Lewis and Clarks conclusions on the disease was very incorrect to me. The native americans didn't have these kind of diseases before the europeans showed up. So by them saying that it must have originated within their enviorment because they were the only ones there is a bunch of bull. the native americans were healthy people and had a large population. Lewis and Clark didn't have the guts or the descency to come out say that white men like themselves is the reason so many native americans died from diseases. The document about the maps showed that there was little knowledge about the americas. They knew it was a body of land but they werent aware of its size and the body of waters that surrounded it.

Anonymous said...

Me again I didnt really answer some of the questions so im going to answer them now.
1. The native americans were viewed as part of the natural enviorment. They depended on nature for survial. There whole way of life was based on nature.

2. Lewis and Clark wanted to find out the remedies of the venerial disease.

Anonymous said...

1) They descibed the men to be really stricted. They were mean to women. They were almost treated how they treat women in Iraq this days. They describe how the native live, they relied on natural resorces and had manual labor.

2) He wants to know if they're is cure. He probably thinks that if he knows about it that he will know to stay away from it.

3) What they were trying to do was to separate the diseases that came from the New World or if they were already a problem before Europeans came.

The map they used to make sucked. But they were pretty good. Im suprised they are that good considering they did them the old school way. They must of took forever to make.
Amen

Anonymous said...

This was an interesting point of view because the article shows that men mistreated women so long ago and these situations are still excisting today. He alos took the liberty to criticize the ways of the natives and that was not very good because it showed that they were hypocrits because they were doing the same things at home.

Anonymous said...

1.The Natives were seen as being one with the environment b/c everything they did to live there daily lives depended on the natural world around them.

2. Lewis is interested in learning about venereal diseases b/c he wants to keep his crew from catching the diseases of the indians and b'c he's trying to trace the social background or ancestry and spread of some diseases through Indian people.

3. Lewi thinks syphilis is a New World disease b/c it is common among the Indian villages he visited and maybe lived in for a while so he could observe them. He's not to sure whether smallpox came from Europe b/c he felt that the indians and the europeans didn't have enuff contact between them, so it maybe just be s native disease spread by them theirselves.

Map:
The Europeans didnt know how large the Americas was apparently. They thought both continents were just small landmasses that could easily be crossed, or gone around. Many explorers thought they had reached india when they were really only in the middle of the Americas. Because they thought this area was so small, they probably didn't know anything about the diverse cultures that lived during that time, and they didn't realize there were so many people.

Anonymous said...

I tend to agree with Alexandria's view and anyone else who said that Lewis and Clark were, in a sense hypocrites. Lewis seemed so shocked and appalled at the Native American culture (involving the unequal treatment of women and children), yet when he returned to his home in the non-newly purchased United States, a similar patriarchal society was set up. Only white men could vote at the time and previous to that, only white men with property were allowed. Only white men had any power (in the gov't, etc.), basically. How come Lewis didn't have this exact same "shocked and appalled" reaction everyday in his own residence?

Anonymous said...

This article was very interesting. It is funny to me that he believes that the diseases that the native americans died from were native to them. He said that they could have gotten them from other tribes but then says that those tribes got them from Europeans that they may have come into contact with. As for the pioneers that leave all the work to their wives, they are "bogus." You would think they would try to help them and not be so selfish.

Anonymous said...

not to beat a dea horse, but Lewis and Clark were class A hypocrites. They looked down on people and passed judgement on them without really knowing much. when you think about it,it is very likely that most native american families were closer than the average family in present times, and they had many traditions too. this is one feminist as* blog fons. natoya, not all men are disrespectful. *shakes fist*

Anonymous said...

I found it rather funny that the Native Americans knew that whipping a child was not good for them. Yet, the white americans saw that as being okay. Also, how can Lewis and Clarke think that they didn't treat their women well when they actually treated their women the same way.

Anonymous said...

Lewis and Clark were way too judgemental on the people. They talked about how they disciplined and treated their women, but their own people weren't that much better. Lewis and Clark see the venerial as a "native american" disease. This is objective because anybody could have gotten it at this time. Maybe if they weren't too busy judging them, the Americans could've found something out about the way the Natives lived.

Anonymous said...

i didn't like this article very much because i find lewis and clark to be very boring men.
meh.

lewis and clark were shocked by the way the native american men treated their wives. yada, yada, yada.

i have no idea why lewis is so interested in the "venerial." probably because he had it or something. he thought the native americans were to blame for the disease.

he believes the two diseases are imported from europe because that's where the diseases were first found.